like I said this afternoon I think I need to be more patient sometimes I get in this crazy mindset that I am not getting this fast enough sometimes I am too competitive with myself

...phyl sometimes has to remind me that I do this tying to relax lol Good to know a master like yourself takes 20 to 30mins I think I'll enjoy doing these more now.
Thanks agn for the tid bits of materials , feathers and hooks your a generous (and very modest) guy. I think that is one of the things I notice and appreciate the most since I got into fly fishing everyone is so willing to share things, info, tips, sample hooks materials etc, anything to help you improve it is a very positive atmosphere. Fly fishers are special ppl and I feel priviledge to be part of this
